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thanks kammi...

January 21st, 2002 (11:18 pm)

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT I am tired of this nation worrying
about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the
terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by
the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely
settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the
possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against
immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better
life by coming to America.



Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our
country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of
America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our
sovereignty and our national identity.



As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and
our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of
struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have
sought freedom.



We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any
other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn
the language! "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some
Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because
Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and
this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the
walls of our schools.



If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as
your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes
offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider
a move to another part of this planet.



We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from.



This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives
every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every
opportunity to do so. But, once you are done complaining, whining, and
griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life,
I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American
freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.



Please pass this along if you agree.

Comments

Posted by: Brad (paragod)
Posted at: January 21st, 2002 11:35 pm (UTC)

amen!

Posted by: dissolves instantly (sahrie)
Posted at: January 21st, 2002 11:45 pm (UTC)
Re:

:)

Posted by: the mid-doctor (texel)
Posted at: January 21st, 2002 11:40 pm (UTC)

i *know* you don't agree with everything this guy is saying...

Posted by: K- Lo~ Kammi™ (kammi)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 12:23 am (UTC)

This guy??..checking down I have boobies ;)

Posted by: the mid-doctor (texel)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 12:49 am (UTC)

ah, i posed my full retort here.

sorry to get your gender wrong... i guess we all have preconceived notions...

Posted by: K- Lo~ Kammi™ (kammi)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 07:31 am (UTC)

Posted by: the helpful bear on the 28th floor (dstep)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 10:27 am (UTC)

Posted by: on a technicality, rationality resists (calliste)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 11:41 am (UTC)

Posted by: «¤°Kiara°¤» (pinkslippers)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 12:41 pm (UTC)

Posted by: on a technicality, rationality resists (calliste)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 12:47 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Dave (dlbags)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 12:47 pm (UTC)

Posted by: «¤°Kiara°¤» (pinkslippers)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 01:22 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Dave (dlbags)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 01:28 pm (UTC)

Posted by: on a technicality, rationality resists (calliste)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 02:19 pm (UTC)

Posted by: the mid-doctor (texel)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 08:32 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Diz (spider280)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 09:04 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Dave (dlbags)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 01:02 pm (UTC)
I'm here to help, I swear.

Posted by: Noelle (asilentrevolt)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 01:09 pm (UTC)

Posted by: K- Lo~ Kammi™ (kammi)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 10:45 am (UTC)

I speak my opinion and u think I'm
angry, frustrated person?? I'm tired of people comming in our country and talking crap about us.
I'm saying if they dont like us then leave.
I feel if they come in our country they should learn ENGLISH*Period*
I'm a flight attendant i deal with people
everyday so dont tell me I am a frustrated
person.This is USA I can say whatever I want
I dont have to be killed for my opinions.
So have a nice day. ;)

Posted by: Dave (dlbags)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 12:05 pm (UTC)

Actually many of our founding fathers were what's commonly referred to as deitists, or fashionable agnostics. Furthermore the term "In god we trust" was inserted on money etc, during the wonderful McCarthy era as was the "One nation under god" part in the pledge of allegiance...the 50's.
Anyone who studies colonial America would firmly tell you the Seperation of church and stae was essential to their setting up this country, not wanting a repeat of Protestant/Catholic religious problems most of Europe dealt with so much.
Lastly, the thing that many people forget whent hey make statements like you did that America is an idea, one that's always in motion, otherwise we wouldn't have amendments or the numerous revolutions both actual and intellectual we have had.
The language of your diatribe is dangerous because it teeters on positive well meant language with things that ar einherently false and can lead to disaster. As soon as we start giving into the hive mentality, this country starts to fail. It is in fact that "lack" of lock step unity that makes us different and amazing, not this false pretense of flag waving anthem singing mentality.
Whenever a country can rally behind injustices, it get scary becasue all of a sudden people are willing to part with liberties for security, security that in the end is false. This was the foundation of Hitler coming to power, rallying Germany from the atrocities of the Treaty of Versilles and using nationalism to create a hive mentality that ultimately lead to goals a racial purity and xenophobia.
I'm not saying you are there, but the statements you made are the ingrediants that lead to such things.
Although I agree in having a national language, and somewhat an identity, removing the ideals and cultural attributes fomr individuality is innherently wrong, especially in light of the fact that this country is founded on so many different ones...who is to say someone shouldn't speak spanish when somany of our states were once owned and still have names of spanish descent? I live in Florida..how can anybody with a straight face say "speak english" in a state that was part of Spain longer than it has been of America, or Frech/Cajon in Louisianna.
Diversity that gels into ideals, that of America is what America is, not English speaking flag waving patriots. OUr founding fathers were the rebels of the worst kind, had they had the comformity you suggest, we'd be under the Union Jack still.
Let me leave you with this, the little boy asks his father: "Daddy, if pride is a sin, then why isn't American Pride"..and father looks at his child befuddled...we need to remember that.

Posted by: Dave (dlbags)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 12:08 pm (UTC)

PS- excuse my typs please.

Posted by: Your Grandmother makes Crank in her bathtub (sweet_jcs)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 12:59 pm (UTC)

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Posted by: Dave (dlbags)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 01:03 pm (UTC)
I'm here to help, I swear!

Read this.

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Posted by: K- Lo~ Kammi™ (kammi)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 11:33 pm (UTC)

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Posted by: the helpful bear on the 28th floor (dstep)
Posted at: January 23rd, 2002 01:41 am (UTC)

you're absolutely right.

this is the usa.

you can say what you want and not be killed for it.

you can have your opinons.

and so can everyone else.

everyone else can say and think what they want, just like you. even if they disagree with the way the country is being run at any given time. even if it involves believing in their own god, or none at all.

and if they wan't, they can even say what they think or believe in spanish, or japanese, or french, or any other language.

because this is america, and they are americans too, and they, as you put it, "can't be killed for it" .

just like you.

Posted by: K- Lo~ Kammi™ (kammi)
Posted at: January 23rd, 2002 02:00 am (UTC)

Posted by: josh (joshc)
Posted at: January 22nd, 2002 11:34 am (UTC)
this is a joke, right?

This entire "essay" is built on contradictory arguments and false premises. The first, and most egregious is the one that distinguishes "immigrants" from "Americans". Can anyone think of a statement more un-American than:

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.
to follow after this one:
Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants.

In one sentence, the author celebrates evolving culture, but appears to believe that cultural evolution should not be allowed to continue. I am curious as to the appropriate date to stop cultural progress -- is it before or after: the Civil War, Women's Suffrage, or the Civil Rights Act?

Several realities are ignored in this piece: the absence of a national language, the constitutional separation of church and state, and the protection of free speech and religious exercise. Exactly which "part of the planet" does the author suggest for people who wish to enjoy these freedoms?

Perhaps if the author finds others' enjoyment of the

First Amendment [that] gives every citizen the right to express his opinion
too burdensome, he/she should be the one to
take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

Posted by: the mid-doctor (texel)
Posted at: January 23rd, 2002 10:36 am (UTC)
Re: this is a joke, right?

please please please... the worst thing you can do for whatever cause you may be championing is to lose a level-headed attitude and resort to personal attacks. this is a highly personal issue which will never be solved or discussed effectively if you lose a rational and kind demeanor.

this *is*, after all, america, and though you or i may not agree with someone's opinion, they should never be reprimanded for exercising their rights to express it.

Posted by: dissolves instantly (sahrie)
Posted at: January 23rd, 2002 10:49 am (UTC)
Re: this is a joke, right?

sing it brotha man!

Posted by: the mid-doctor (texel)
Posted at: January 23rd, 2002 10:52 am (UTC)
Re: this is a joke, right?

Posted by: josh (joshc)
Posted at: January 23rd, 2002 12:09 pm (UTC)
Re: this is a joke, right?

Hi. Sorry if that seemed like a personal attack or a reprimand for expressing an opinion. I suppose it was kind of impolite to use the most mean-spirited point of the original essay in response.

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